BOSTON," YET ANOTHER MASS SHOOTING IN AMERICA, AND APPARENTLY, ANOTHER HATE CRIME, TOO, THIS TIME, TARGETING AN L.G.B.T.Q.

CLUB IN COLORADO.

"BOSTON GLOBE" COLUMNIST RENEE GRAHAM AND STATE SENATOR JULIAN CYR JOIN ME ON HOW THE ATTACK IS REVERBERATING THROUGH THE L.G.B.T.Q.

COMMUNITY IN THIS STATE AND ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THEN A LOOK BACK AT MY CONVERSATION WITH TWO OF THE PEOPLE BEHIND THE EMMY AWARD-WINNING FRONTLINE INSTALLATION HERE IN BOSTON, WHICH OFFERS AN INTERACTIVE LOOK AT 150 UNSOLVED CIVIL-RIGHTS ERA MURDERS.

# >> BRAUDE: THE MAN WHO OPENED FIRE INSIDE AN L.G.B.T.Q.

NIGHTCLUB IN COLORADO SPRINGS, SATURDAY NIGHT, MURDERING FIVE PEOPLE, AND INJURING MORE THAN TWO DOZEN OTHERS, IS NOW FACING SEVERAL COUNTS OF MURDER AND HATE CRIME CHARGES.

THE SHOOTING SUSPECT, A 22-YEAR-OLD MAN, WHO REPORTEDLY WAS INVOLVED IN A STANDOFF WITH POLICE LAST YEAR, WAS TAKEN DOWN BY TWO PEOPLE INSIDE THE VENUE, CLUB Q.

THEY REPORTEDLY WRESTLED AWAY THE GUNMAN'S AR-STYLE WEAPON, TACKLED HIM TO THE GROUND, AND PINNED HIM DOWN 'TIL POLICE ARRIVED, SAVING WHO KNOWS HOW MANY LIVES, IN THE PROCESS.

>> TWO HEROIC PEOPLE INSIDE THE CLUB CONFRONTED AND FOUGHT WITH THE SUSPECT AND WERE ABLE TO STOP -- STOP THE SUSPECT FROM CONTINUING TO KILL AND HARM OTHERS.

WE OWE THEM A GREAT DEBT OF THANKS.

>> THERE WAS A MOMENT IN TIME WHERE I FEARED I WAS NOT GOING TO MAKE IT OUT OF THAT CLUB ALIVE.

I TRULY BELIEVE THOSE TWO PEOPLE SAVED MY LIFE.

>> Braude: COULD HAVE USED THEM IN UVALDE.

IN THE HOURS AFTER THE ATTACK, CLUB Q WROTE ON FACEBOOK THAT IT'S: "DEVASTATED BY THE SENSELESS ATTACK ON [THEIR] COMMUNITY," AND MANY WITNESSES SAY THEY'RE NOW MOURNING NOT ONLY FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS, BUT A RARE SAFE SPACE IN THE CITY: >> Q IS A HOME AWAY FROM HOME.

IT'S A PLACE WHERE EVERYONE IS FREE TO EXPRESS THEMSELVES AND BE THEMSELVES.

>> FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF, WE DON'T HAVE FAMILIES.

SO L.G.B.T.

PEOPLE REALLY NEED SOMEWHERE THAT IS A SAFE SPACE.

AND CLUB Q GAVE THAT TO US.

>> THIS IS THE ONLY L.G.B.T.Q.I.A.+ PLACE IN THE ENTIRE CITY OF COLORADO SPRINGS.

WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO?

WHERE ARE WE SUPPOSED TO GO?

>> BRAUDE: THE ATTACK HAS LEFT QUEER COMMUNITIES REELING, NOT JUST IN COLORADO, BUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY, INCLUDING HERE IN MASSACHUSETTS.

I'M JOINED BY "BOSTON GLOBE" COLUMNIST, RENEÉE GRAHAM, AND STATE SENATOR JULIAN CYR, OF TRURO, WHO PREVIOUSLY SERVED ON THE MASSACHUSETTS COMMISSION ON LESBIAN, GAY, BISEXUAL, TRANSGENDER, QUEER AND QUESTIONING YOUTH.

WELCOME TO YOU BOTH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Braude: RENEE, YOU WROTE IN YOUR COLUMN NO ONE SHOULD BE SURPRISED BY THE VIOLENCE AT CLUB Q.

WHY?

>> YOU KNOW, GEM, IT'S BEEN REALLY -- JIM, IT'S BEEN OBVIOUS.

IT'S BEEN BUILDING FOR MONTHS IF NOT YEARS.

THIS YEAR ALONE WILL HAVE BEEN MORE THAN 300 ANTI-L.G.B.T.Q.I.A.+ BILLS INTRODUCE IN STATE LEGISLATURE NATIONWIDE MOST IN REPUBLICAN STATE LEGISLATORS RANGING IN BANS ON BOOKS IN SCHOOLS, GENDER HEALTHCARENNED BANS ON PER PORLSES.

THERE'S A DEHUMANIZATION OF PEOPLE IN QUEER COMMUNITIES AND IT HAS AN IMPACT.

WHEN YOU DEHUMANIZE PEOPLE, I CAN IT BECOMES THAT MUCH EASIER TO ACT WITH BRUTALITY.

>> Braude: AND YOU ADD ANOTHER ELEMENT INTO IT, SENATOR, WHERE THE FORMER PRESIDENT WHO IS RUNNING AGAIN MADE IT ACCEPTABLE TO USE VIOLENCE TO ESSENTIALLY VOICE YOUR POSITIONS OBSERVE ISSUES.

NO-- ON ISSUES, NO?

>> YES, THIS PRAYS BARE THE -- LAYS BARE THE DANGERS OF BEING L.G.B.T.

IN AMERICA.

WE MOWHOUSENT HAPPENING IN A VACUUM.

THESE ATTACKS, THE RETE RICK, THE -- THE RHETORIC, THE VIOLENCE, THIS IS ADDING UP TO REAL LIVED DANGERS AND, YES, YES, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT A HORRIFIC EPISODE OF INCIDENTS AND MURDERS IN COLORADO SPRINGS.

BUT WE'RE SEEING THIS HAPPENING TO L.G.B.T.

PEOPLE ACROSS THE COUNTRY.

THIS HAPPENED ON THE EVE OF TRANSGENDER DAY OF REMEMBER BRABS.

WE KNOW 34 TRANS MONCONPORMING GENDER FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN MURDERED THIS YEAR AND HATS AN UNDERCOUNT.

>> Braude: SEALS SMRTS HAVE DESCRIBED -- SEEMS TO ME THE SENATORS DESCRIBED TERRORISM.

IT PITS THE DEFINITION OF A HATE CRIME.

>> IT DOES.

AN ACT OF TERRORISM IS YOU CONTINUE FEEL SAFE ANYWHERE.

AFTER THE NEWS CAME OUT, SOMETHING SAID ABOUT THE SHOOTER IN BUFFALO WHO TARGETED A SUPERMARKET FREQUENTED BY A LOT OF BLACK PEOPLE, HE SAID HE DIDN'T WANT BLACK PEOPLE TO FEEL SAFE ANYWHERE.

SO EVEN A SUPERMARKET CAN BE A PLACE YOU DON'T KNOW IF YOU SHOULD BE THERE.

THAT'S THE DEFINITION OF TERRORISM AND THAT THE WHAT HAPPENED AT CLUB Q.

THIS SHOOTER TARGETED A PLACE WHERE QUEER PEOPLE PEEL SAFE.

THIS ATTACK SAYS YOU WILL FIND NO COMFORT OR PEACE ANYWHERE.

>> Braude: SENATOR, I'M SURE YOU'VE THOUGHT ABOUT THIS, BUT I HAVEN'T THOUGHT ABOUT IT MERE MUST HAVE.

WE GO FROM HATE BEING MAIN STREAMED TO CELEBRATED TO A PLATFORM IN A CAMPAIGN IN A HIGHER OFFICE.

PROBABLY THE NAME WHO COMES MOST FREQUENTLY TO MIND IS DON'T SAY GAY GOVERNOR DeSANTIS, WHO IS NOT ONLY DOING THAT BUT ESENTIALLY CAPTURING INSPECTING MIGRANTS IN TEXAS AND SHIPPING THEM WITHOUT THEIR KNOWLEDGE TO MARTHA'S VINEYARD.

THIS IS HOW YOU WIN ELECTIONS, NO?

>> I HOPE IT'S MOTT HOW WE WIN ELECTIONS.

WE CAN HAVE ANOTHER CONVERSATION DISSECTING THE 2020 RESULTS HERE, BUT WILL HAS BEEN A VERY CLEAR CAMPAIGN AND DeSANTIS AND TRUMP HAVE BEEN A PART OF FIGURING OUT AND TRYING TO ARGUE THAT WE CAN ATTACK SOME OF THE MOST VULNERABLE PEOPLE IN OUR SOCIETY, CHILDREN, FOR POLITICAL GAIN AND IT'S DISGUSTING AND IT HAS TO STOP.

I THINK BRENDAN WOLF WAS A PULSE NIGHTCLUB SURVIVOR AND PRESS SECRETARY WITH QUALITY OF FLORIDA, AND HIS QUOTE STRICK ME, HE SAID, WE JUST WANT TO LIVE.

IS THAT TOO MUCH TO ASK?

IT'S A POWERFUL QUESTION A LOT OF L.G.B.T.

FOLKS, QUEER FOLKS ARE ASKING THEMSELVES THESE DAYS.

>> Braude: PULSE IN ORLANDO HAPPENED ONLY SIX YEARS AGO.

WE HAVE FOOTAGE OF PEOPLE MOURNING OUTSIDE PULSE FOLLOWING THE SHOOTINGS INSHOOTINGS COLORADO SPRINGS.

IT SEEMS TO ME, HYPOCRISY IS NOTHING TO BE WORRIED ABOUT IF YOU'RE A POLITICIAN.

HERE'S A TWEETY LAUREN BOEBERT IN AUGUST OF LAST YEAR SENDING A MESSAGE TO ALL THE DRAG QUEENS OUT THERE, STAY AWAY FROM THE CHILDREN IN COLORADO'S H.I.R.D.

DISTRICT.

THAT WAS AUGUST.

IMMEDIATELY AFTER THE MURDERS THE OTHER BAY IN COLORADO SPRINGS, THE SAME CONGRESSWOMAN SAID THE NEWS OUT OF COLORADO SPRINGS ABSOLUTELY AWFUL, THE VICTIMS AND FAMILIES ARE IN MY PRAYERS, THIS LAWLESS VIOLENCE NEEDS TO END.

I CAN SEE HER CONSTITUENTS NODDING IN AGREEMENT WITH THE FIRST ONE AND THEN NODDING IN AGREEMENT WITH THE SECOND ONE, YOU KNOW?

>> YOU KNOW, I READ IT ALMOST AS A TROLL.

THERE'S NO SINCERITY IN THERE.

I DON'T BELIEVE HER THOUGHTS AND PRAYERS.

SHE DOESN'T CARE ABOUT THE VICTIMS OR THEIR FAMILIES, NOT WHEN SHE HAS SPENT HER ENTIRE TIME IN PUBLIC LIFE EXCORIATING QUEER PEOPLE AND GOING AFTER TRANS PEOPLE AND THE LGBTQ COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE.

THE ISSUE I HAVE WITH PEOPLE LIKE LAUREN BOEBERT AND GOVERNOR DeSANTIS IS IT'S NOT JUST THEM, THERE'S A BASE THEY BELIEVE THEY ARE PLAYING TO.

>> Braude: EXACTLY.

THEY WOULDN'T DO IT IF THEY DIDN'T THINK IT WAS A WINNING STRATEGY.

IN THE CASE OF DeSANTIS, HE RAN AWAY WITH THAT ELECTION AND IS CONSIDERED A CONTENDER FOR 2024.

IT IS MOTT HURTING HIM AT ALL AND PROBABLY IN SOME CORNERS IS HELPING HIM.

>> Braude: SENATOR CYR, WHILE I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO POINT THE FINGER MOST DIRECTORY AT EXTREMISTS ON THE RIGHT, MANY POLITICIANS WHO APPROPRIATELY AND FROM THEIR HEART MOURN PUBLICLY THE LOSS OF LIVES AND THE VIOLENCE IN COLORADO, I LOOKED UP ANOTHER, I RIDE TO FIND A PEEP OUT OF ANY OF THEM ABOUT THE UNITED STATES SENDING A TELL TEAM FROM OUR COUNTRY TO COMPETE IN THE WORLD CUP IN A COUNTRY WHERE HOMOSEXUALITY ITSELF, BEING GAY OR LESBIAN, IS A CRIME AND PUNISHABLE BY AS MUCH AS SEVEN YEARS IN PRISON.

NOT SPEAKING OUT AGAINST THAT CONTRIBUTES TO THE ATMOSPHERE WE'RE ALL CONCERNED ABOUT, DOES IT NOT?

>> AS THIS LAYS BEXAR R BARE, WE HAVE SO MUCH WORK TO DO.

IN MASSACHUSETTS, PARTICULARLY ON L.G.B.T.

ISSUES, WE TEND TO REST ON OUR LAURELS, WE THINK WE'RE MASSACHUSETTS, THE FIRST IN MARRIAGE AND NON-DISCRIMINATION.

WE'RE MOTT REALLY FIRST ON A LOT OF ISSUES AND MY COLLEAGUES AND I ARE TRYING TO CHANGE HAT.

FIRST, IT'S IMPORTANT TO NAME THE VICTIMS AND THE VICTIM WE KNOW, DANIEL ASHTON A 28-YEAR-OLD BARTENDER, TRANSGENDER, A MAN LOVING A TRANS WOMAN.

WE WANT TO NAME THEIR NAMES.

BEFORE COMING ON, IT APPEARS HOW THIS WAS REALLY KEPT FROM BEING SO MUCH WORSE THAN THE MASSACRE WAS THE ACTION OF TWO INDIVIDUALS INCLUDING ARMY VETERAN RICHARD FIERRO WHO WAS A GUY WILL WITH HIS WIFE AND DAUGHTER AND FRIENDS.

IF LAST ANY REPIEWD YAGS TO THIS VERY CALLOUS, DEMONIZING OF QUEER ART AND JUST THE FULL INTEGRATION OF OUR FAMILIES, THIS MAY BE IT.

HERE'S A FAMILY ENJOYING A DRAG SHOW AND THIS ARMY VETERAN AND A FEW OTHERS LEAPT TO HAIR FEET AND SAVED COUNT RECESS LIVES.

>> Braude: SO GLAD YOU MENTIONED THAT.

RENEW, I WAS WORRIED I WAS MAKING TOO MUCH OUT OF THAT WHEN I MADE A COMPARING INTRODUCING YOU TWO, THERE WERE 376 LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS IN UVALDE WHEN KIDS WERE GETTING EXECUTED MANY A CLAMOR, MANY OF THOSE 3 THOSE7 -- 376 WERE ARMED WITH ASSAULT WEAPONS.

THE PEOPLE JULIAN CYR WAS DESCRIBING WERE ARMED WITH NOTHING EXCEPT COURAGE AND EMPATHY FOR THEIR FELLOW HUMAN BEINGS.

LAST SOMETHING TO THE STORY BEYOND JUST THE BRAVERY OF A COUPLE OF INDIVIDUALS, IS THERE NOT?

>> YOU KNOW, I THINK IT SAYS A LOT ABOUT HOW QUEER PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO FIGHT FOR THEIR LIVES AND COMMUNITIES.

THEY HAVE NOD HAD THE LUXURY OF WAITING FOR OTHERS TO STEP IN AND HELP THEM, AND THAT'S WHERE THE CHILDREN IN UVALDE WERE FAILED BECAUSE ALL THOSE POLICE OFFICERS DID NOTHING AS THEY WERE BEING MASSACRED BUT WHAT HAPPENED AT CLUB Q IS PEOPLE SAID WE CAN'T WAIT.

PEOPLE WERE CALLING 911 BUT THEY ALSO FELT, PROBABLY COMING OUT OF WHAT HAPPENED AT PULSE SIX YEARS AGO, THAT THAT THEY NEEDED TO STEP UP AND PROTECT THE PEOPLE THEY CARE FOR.

>> Braude: I HATE TO TRY TO INJECT A NOTE OF OPTIMISM INTO THIS HORROR SHOW, BUT LET ME GIVE IT A TRY -- IT SEEMS TO ME THERE'S AT LEAST A CERTAIN DISSIDENCE WHILE THERE IS A NIGHT MAYOR YOU DESCRIBED, ON THE FLIP SIDE, 76% OF PEOPLE MONTANA COUNTRY SUPPORT SAME-SEX MARRIAGES.

WE HAVE A PRESIDENT WHO NEVER MISSES AN OPPORTUNITY TO SAY LOVE IS LOVE REGARDLESS OF WHO IT'S BETWEEN.

IS IT ABSURDLY POSITIVE TO BELIEVE THAT GROWING THING HAS THE POTENTIAL TO BURY THE HATE YOU AND RENEE HAVE BEEN DESCRIBING FOR THE LAST TEN MINUTES?

>> RESILIENCE IS CORE TO THE L.G.B.T.

X EXPERIENCE -- THE LGBTQ EXPERIENCE.

I ACTUALLY AM HOPEFUL IN LOOKING AT -- YOU KNOW, I LOOK AT MY GENERATION, THE YOUNGER GENERATION, OUR PERSPECTIVES ON YEARNESS, OBSERVE HOW -- ON QUEERNESS, ON HOW FOLKS LIVE HAIR LIVES.

IT'S REMARKABLY DIFFERENT THAN THE FOLKS SPEWING THIS RHETORIC.

I CAN SPEAK PERSONALLY AS A QUEER PERSON, IT FEELS DIFFERENT TODAY TO BE MANY SHOES THAT I NEVER WOULD HAVE-MONTH-OLD, WHEN I FIRST CAME OUT AS A JUNIOR AND SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL.

I THINK RESILIENCE IS PART OF OUR EXPERIENCE, PART OF WHY GAY CLUBS ARE SO VITAL AND IMPORTANT, RIGHT, IS HAVING THAT SPACE WHERE, YOU KNOW, YOU WALK INTO THAT DANCE CLUB, AND THE MUSIC, THE COLLECTIVE ENERGY OF BEING WITH PEOPLE WHO LIKE YOU ARE A LITTLE DIFFERENT, YOU KNOW, THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN PART OF OUR EXPERIENCE.

AND, SO, I THINK RESILIENCE IS IMPORTANT TO TALK ABOUT, HAT WE'RE GOING TO REJECT THIS HATE, THAT WE ARE MAKING CHANGE, AND WE'RE GOING TO KEEP AT IT DESPITE SUCH MURDEROUS, HOER HORRENDOUS ACTION WE'VE SEEN OVER THE WEEKEND.

>> Braude: REMAY, ONLY 30 SECONDS LEFT, YOU BUYING THAT SOME.

I'LL SIMPLY SAY, I'M TIRED OF RESILIENCE.

I WANT QUEER RIGHTS RECOGNIZED AND QUEER LIVES PROTECTED.

>> Braude: RENEE, PLEASURE TO SEE YOU.

SENATOR, I APPRECIATE YOU THOUGHTS AND TIME.

THANK YOU SO MUCH.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Braude: NEXT UP, MURDERED MORE THAN A HALF-CENTURY AGO, SOLELY BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN, THEY WERE ALMOST LOST TO HISTORY.

BUT, NOW, AN EXHIBIT HERE IN BOSTON ALLOWS YOU TO READ THEIR NAMES, SEE THEIR FACES, AND HEAR THEIR STORIES THAT WERE UNEARTHED AS A PART OF A 15-YEAR INVESTIGATION BY THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE THROUGH THE EMMETT TILL UNSOLVED CIVIL RIGHTS CRIME ACT, WHICH WAS CHAMPIONED BY THE LATE CIVIL RIGHTS ICON, CONGRESSMAN JOHN LEWIS: >> MR. SPEAKER, THE TIME HAS COME.

THERE ARE HUNDREDS, MAYBE EVEN THOUSANDS OF THESE CRIMES THAT WERE NEVER BROUGHT TO JUSTICE.

THERE ARE MURDERERS WHO HAVE WALKED FREE FOR DECADES WHILE THE FAMILIES OF VICTIMS CRY OUT FOR JUSTICE.

>> BRAUDE: LAST YEAR, FRONTLINE AND THE CIVIL RIGHTS AND RESTORATIVE JUSTICE PROJECT AT NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY LAUNCHED A MULTI-PLATFORM INVESTIGATIVE REPORT FEATURING THESE STORIES.

IT'S CALLED UN(RE)SOLVED, AND IT WENT ON TO WIN AN EMMY FOR INTERACTIVE MEDIA INNOVATION.

STARTING TOMORROW, UN(RE)SOLVED WILL BE ON DISPLAY AT DISTRICT HALL IN THE SEAPORT, AFTER MOVING FROM IT'S PREVIOUS HOME AT NORTHEASTERN UNIVERSITY.

SHORTLY AFTER THE EXHIBIT WAS LAUNCHED THERE, I SPOKE TO THE PROJECT'S EXECUTIVE PRODUCERS: FRONTLINE EXECUTIVE PRODUCER AND EDITOR-IN-CHIEF RANEY ARONSON-RATH AND DAWN PORTER, A PROLIFIC AND AWARD-WINNING DOCUMENTARY FILMMAKER.

DAWNDAWN, RANEY, CONGRATULATIONINGS ON THIS.

>> THANK YOU.

>> Braude: THIS IS MOTT JUST A FACTUAL RETELLING OF A HOSH CRIME THAT WAS UNRESOLVED BUT AN EFFORT TO EBB SURE INDIVIDUALS ARE ALSO UNFORGOTTEN.

CAN YOU DESCRIBE WHAT PEOPLE SEE AT THE INSTALLATION?

>> YEAH, YOU KNOW, I THINK WHEN RANEY CAME TO ME WITH THE PROJECT, AND HE WAS SOMETHING THAT WAS INTERNAL RIDEVELOPED ORIGINALLY AT "FRONTLINE," THE IDEA WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, SOMETIMES WE CAN GET IMMUNE TO STORIES OF TRAGEDY, AND IT WAS -- YOU KNOW, SHE CAME WITH A REALLY SIMPLE PREP IS, WHICH IS THESE ARE -- PREMISE, WHICH IS THESE ARE PEOPLE WITH FAMILIES AND SORES AND THEAIVE IDENTIFIED AS BEING VICTIMS OF AN HORRIFIC CRIME, AND WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT HAIR RAVES AND NOT -- THEIR LIVES AND NOT JUST THEIR DEATHS.

THAT SPOKE TO ME.

WHEN YOU WORK THE WORK I DO THAT FOCUSES ON CIVIL RIGHTS, BUT WHAT I TRY TO DO IS FOCUS ON HUMANITY AND THIS PROJECT CENTERS ON THE HUMANITY OF THE VICTIMS OF THESE CRIMES IS THAT MY INITIAL THOUGHT WAS, WHEN YOU TALKED TO SURVIVORS IN THESE SITUATIONS, HAY WOULD BE DYING TO TALK ABOUT SOMEBODY THEY LOVE, BUT THE FLIP SIDE IS EVERYBODY IS NOT MEME TILL WHO IS WILLING TO RELIVE THE NIGHTMARE.

WHAT WAS IT LIKE REACHING OUT TO SURVIVORS TO PARTICIPATE MONTANA PROJECT?

I THINK -- PARTICIPATE IN THIS PROJECT IS THIS.

>> DAWN AND I TALKED ABOUT HOW TO DO THAT CAREFULLY AND WITH A CONSCIOUSNESS THAT THESE ARE CRIMES THAT HAPPENED IN SOME CASES DECADES AGO AND HOW WOULD WE APPROACH THE FAMILIES WITH CARE AND DECENCY AND RESPECT.

WHAT WE DECIDED TO DO IS APPROACH STORY CORE.

STORY CORE HAS AN INCREDIBLE TRADITION OF CAPTURING PEOPLE'S STORIES THAT ARE MORE OF A MORAL HISTORY RATHER THAN JOURNALISM MODEL, THOUGH IT IS JOURNALISM.

THE WAY THEY WORKED WITH US IS TO HELP US UNDERSTAND HOW YOU TREAT PEOPLE WHILE GATHERING STORIES.

WE WORKED CLOSELY WITH THEM TO GATHER THE STORIES AND THE INTERACTIVE WAS IN COLLABORATION WITH STORY CORE.

OUR PRODUCERS ON OUR END, YOU KNOW, THEY HAVE DONE THEIR HOMEWORK, THEY KNOW EXACTLY WHAT THEY'RE HOPING TO DO AND WERE ALSO SAYINGO THE VICTIMS'' LIS HAT WE UPS THIS IS GENERATIONAL TRAUMA AND THE GOVERNMENT SHOULD REOPEN THESE CASES AND THIS IS A WAY TO REOPEN THAT CONVERSATION.

>> Braude: DAWN, CAN YOU BRIEFLY DESCRIBE, QUILTS ARE A THREAD THAT RUNS THROUGH A LOT OF THIS.

CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY?

>> QUILTING HAS A LOT OF SIGNIFICANCE IN THE AFRICAN-AMERICAN COMMUNITY AND REALLY IN MANNER FOLK LOWER AND HISTORY.

AND, SO, TAMARA, WHO IS OUR CREATIVE ARTIST, ESSENTIALLY USED THE MOTIF OF THE QUILT.

QUILTMAKING IS A PART OF A WAY TO TELL A STORY, TO CONNECT YOU WITH HISTORY AND FAMILY AND, IMPORTANTLY, A WAY TO CONNECT YOU WITH PLACE.

BY USING THE QUILT MOTIF, WHICH YOU SEE IN THE BEAUTIFUL, EXQUISITELY WOVEN PANELS, THEY ARE DIGITALLY WOVEN, YOU KIND OF EMPHASIZE THAT THERE ARE LAYERS TO THIS STORY, AND THAT'S REALLY SOMETHING THAT THE DESIGNERS, THE PROGRAMMERS, THE CREATORS, YOU CAN SEE THE BEAUTIFUL, ARTISTIC -- AND, YOU KNOW, THERE'S A REVERENCE TO THE PANELS WHEN YOU APPROACH THEM THAT I THINK IS PITTING TO THE SUBJECT -- FITTING TO THE SUBJECT MATTER.

APPROACHING THE FAMILIES, THIS IS NOTHING YOU COULD EVER FORGET, AND PART OF THE RANDALL OF THE TILL -- TRAGEDY OF THE TILL LIST, CREATED WITH GOOD INTENTIONS, IS THESE FAMILIES, THEIR HOPES WERE REVIVED HAT THESE MURDERS WOULD BE INVESTIGATED.

PART OF LAST THIS BROKEN PROMISE AND PART OF WHAT I BELIEVE IS BRILLIANT ABOUT WHAT RANEY AND THE ENTIRE TEAM HAVE CONE IS SAY WE CAN'T PELLS GIVE YOU FULL JUSTICE BUT WE CAN GIVE DIGNITY TO THE PEOPLE ON THE UNSOLVED MURDERS LIST.

>> Braude: CAN YOU GIVE DIGNITY TO ALBERTA JONES AND TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT HER STORY.

>> THAT'S HOW SHE GOT ME WITH ALBERTA.

>> Braude: PERFECT SHOWS.

TELL US.

THAT'S A GOOD ONE.

I LEARNED ABOUT ALBERTA JONES FROM MY TEAM AT "FRONTLINE."

I COULDN'T STOP THINKING ABOUT ALBERTA.

SHE WAS THE FIRST LOUISVILLE WOMAN ATTORNEY, AND I'M SAYING THAT IS A BIG DEAL IN AND OF ITSELF.

SHE IS THE FIRST WOMAN WHO IS BLACK WHO PASSED THE KENTUCKY BAR.

SHE IS AN INCREDIBLE LAWYER.

AND SHE WAS ONE OF THESE REALLY MOTIVATED PEOPLE TO HELP PEOPLE VOTE.

SHE REALLY SPENT A LOT OF TIME WITH THE BLACK COMMUNITY HELPING THEM UNDERSTAND VOTER RESTRICTIONS.

THIS IS WAY AHEAD OF THE CONVERSATION TODAY.

SHE WAS THERE ON THE FRONTLINES.

WHEN SHE WAS IN HER MID-30S ONE NIGHT SHE WAS SUPPOSED TO MEET A FRIEND AND SHE DIDN'T.

SHE WAS FOUND THE NEXT DAY.

AND IT HAS BEEN AN UNSOLVED MURDER SINCE.

SHE IS ON THIS LIST.

AND BECAUSE HER STORY FELT SO IMPORTANT TO ME, I CALLED DAWN AND ASKED HER IF SHE WOULD EXECUTIVE PRODUCE THIS WITH ME BECAUSE I'VE KNOWN DAWN FOR A LONG TIME, AND SHE WOULD BE THE RIGHT PARTNER WITH ME.

SHE IS THE STORY I SHARED.

AND I SAID, WHY DO WE NOT KNOW ALBERTA JONES' NAME IN AMERICA?

WHY DO WE NOT KNOW HER NAME?

THAT IS PART OF THIS SAYING HER LIFE MATTERS.

SHE WAS A LEADER, AN AMAZING CHARISMATIC, WONDERFUL PERSON AND WE HAVE SO MUCH DETAIL ABOUT HER LIFE IN THIS EXHIBIT.

>> BRAUDE: DAWN, WHY DO YOU THINK -- WAS THAT THE RIGHT CHOICE FOR YOU?

DO YOU THINK?

>> IT WAS SO EASY TO RELATE TO THIS YOUNG WOMAN LAWYER TRYING TO HELP OTHER WOMEN, IN PARTICULAR, AS WELL AS TO WORK ON VOTING RIGHTS.

SHE WAS HELPING, YOU KNOW PEOPLE ARE ALLEGED DOMESTIC VIOLENCE VICTIMS.

AND, YOU KNOW, THE IDEA THAT AT 34, WITH HER ENTIRE LIFE AHEAD OF HER, THIS YOUNG, BLACK LAWYER AND THE 1950S DISAPPEARED.

THAT SHE COULD BE DISAPPEARED.

AND THAT JUST FELT INTOLERABLE.

AND I THINK, RANEY, WE HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER FOR A LONG TIME, AND SHE KNEW THAT THAT WOULD GET ME AND THAT I COULD NOT SIT BY WHILE SHE WAS DISAPPEARED.

AND I'M SO GLAD I WENT ON THE JOURNEY -- THIS CREATIVE JOURNEY WITH THIS REMARKABLE TEAM.

>> BRAUDE: WE TALKED A MINUTE AGO ABOUT TALKING TO THE RELATIVES OF THE PEOPLE WHO WERE EXECUTED.

HERE IS A LITTLE BIT IN THE EXHIBIT FROM ALBERTA JONES' SISTER.

>> THE YEARS, YOU GET SO THAT YOU ARE JUST, BUT YOU NEVER FORGET.

LIKE I TELL THEM, THE PAIN NEVER, NEVER, NEVER GOES AWAY.

ALBERTA WENT OUT OF THE HOUSE A HEALTHY WOMAN AND GOT ABDUCTED AND BEAT TO DEATH, AND THEN THROWN AWAY LIKE SHE WAS A BAG OF TRASH.

AND NOBODY HAS EVER BEEN TRIED FOR IT.

>> BRAUDE: YOU KNOW, DAWN, YOU MENTIONED JUSTICE AND HOPES ELEVATED, WHICH OFTEN HAVE BEEN DASHED.

HAS THE LAW, THE WORK YOU GUYS HAVE DONE -- HAVE ANY OF THESE CRIMES BEEN SOLVED AS A RESULT?

>> UM...THE CRIME -- WELL, THE LIST REMAINS.

THE CRIMES HAVE NOT BEEN SOLVED.

THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CASES WHERE THERE IS STILL A POSSIBILITY OF THAT.

AND PART OF OUR WORK AS FILMMAKERS, AS JOURNALISTS, WHAT WE CAN DO IS PUBLICIZE THAT THESE STORIES REMAIN AND THAT OUR SYSTEM OF JUSTICE DEMANDS THAT THERE BE SOME ACCOUNTABILITY.

I WAS WORKING ON A FILM ABOUT JOHN LEWIS AT THE TIME THAT I STARTED WORKING WITH RANEY AND HER TEAM ON THIS PROJECT.

AND MR. LEWIS' WORDS WERE LITERALLY ECHOED IN MY HEAD.

WHICH IS, IF YOU SEE SOMETHING THAT IS UNFAIR, UNJUST, AND NO RIGHT, YOU DO SOMETHING, YOU SAY SOMETHING.

AND I THINK WHAT JOURNALISTS CAN DO IS MAYBE WE CAN'T SOLVE THE CRIMES OR PROSECUTE THE PERPETRATORS, BUT WE CAN SAY SOMETHING, AND THAT'S WHAT THIS EXHIBIT WILL DO.

>> BRAUDE: AND YOU DO IT BEAUTIFULLY AND POWERFULLY WITH ALL OF YOUR COLLEAGUES.

BEFORE YOU GO, RANEY, I MENTIONED THIS IS A MULTI-PLATFORM KIND OF THING, IN DECISION TO THIS INSTALLATION AT 400 HUNTINGTON GL.

AVENUE.

THERE IS A HIGH SCHOOL CURRICULUM, AND THAT REALLY EXCITED ME.

BUT WHAT GOT ME NERVOUS IS I'M ASSUMING THERE ARE SOME STATES -- WE JUST TALKED ABOUT RON DESANTIS A MINUTE AGO -- WHERE SUCH CURRICULA IS NOT ACCEPTABLE OR ALLOWED.

>> I THINK THAT IS TRUE.

BUT I WOULD SAY THAT PBS LEARNING MEDIA HAS A GREAT WAY OF GETTING THIS CURRICULA INTO THE SCHOOLS, AND SO MANY PEOPLE ARE HUNGRY FOR THIS HISTORY.

AND WHETHER IT IS BEING TAUGHT IS THE QUESTION.

AND WE CAN'T SAY EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING THERE, BUT THE GREAT NEWS IS WE'RE IN OVER 60% OF THE SCHOOLS.

PBS LEARNING IS AMAZING IN THAT REGARD.

>> BRAUDE: BOTH YOU AND YOUR COLLEAGUES HAVE DONE BRILLIANT AND IMPORTANT WORK.

I REALLY THANK YOU FOR THE TIME YOU'VE GIVEN ME TONIGHT.

>> THANK YOU.

>> JIM, THANK YOU.

>> THANKS, DAWN.

BYE.

>> BRAUDE: YOU CAN CATCH THE UN(RE)SOLVED INSTALLATION IN PERSON AT DISTRICT HALL IN THE SEAPORT NOVEMBER 22ND THROUGH DECEMBER 3RD.

AND YOU CAN ALWAYS DIVE INTO THE ONLINE EXHIBIT AT FRONTLINE.ORG.UNRESOLVED, OR ON THE FRONTLINE UN(RE)SOLVED APP.

THAT'S IT FOR TONIGHT, BUT COME BACK TOMORROW.

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